Brad Guth
2010-10-20 17:54:25 UTC
Or if you prefer to use the “Cosmological Ice Ages”, because that also
works for Henry Kroll and myself. It seems long period double/triple
stars are not actually all that uncommon nor without their ability of
capturing another nearby star, especially while in their initial proto-
star or progenitor birthing molecular/nebula cloud phase that can last
a good million plus years, is what puts celestial mechanics at risk,
because of what the past represented.
Perhaps the last fully cosmological thaw for us happened as of 125k
years ago (+/-10k aided by few if any human tribes, much less
industrialized), and now it’s mostly caused by our moon and us
supposedly educated humans trying everything possible to trash our
planet. So far so good, because there’s only another 33% worth of all
that pesky 7e16 m3 original glacial ice to get rid of (leaving us with
perhaps 1e16 m3), as well as most land is either badly eroded or
getting flooded from monster storms and otherwise baked to death by
excessive droughts, plus otherwise we send BP and others out to
pollute as much ocean and atmosphere as possible in order to maximize
traumatize the global biodiversity in ways mother nature could never
have imagined.
The Cosmological Thaw from Sirius & Celestial Mechanics gets to use
conditional voodoo physics (aka “the past”), that otherwise doesn't
have to play by the rules of today, is what I believe is keeping us
associated with those badly depleted Sirius stars. However, the
mainstream closed mindset clearly doesn’t like this interpretation or
any interpretation other than their own that wants to insist that we
are at the center of this forever expanding universe that’s mostly
inert and lifeless.
Sirius Escape Velocity (did our solar system always have enough escape
velocity?)
http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/astronomy/escape_velocity
Offering a direct analogy of a stable elliptical orbit that’s
captured within our solar system is that of Sedna/90377 ~ 3e21 kg, of
an exotic reddish kind of mineral saturated icy planetoid that can’t
seem to get away from the past any better than our solar system is
keeping itself away from Sirius.
On Oct 18, 8:35 pm, Sam Wormley <***@gmail.com> wrote:
: Sedna's orbital eccentricity about the sun is 0.8527 which
: makes it an elliptical orbit bound to the sun. Sirius does
: NOT have a closed orbit with the sun. The Earth's tug on the
: sun is more than a million times stronger than that of Sirius
: or any other star.
On Oct 19, 5:37 am, Sam Wormley <***@gmail.com> wrote:
: This is where you are incorrect, Brad. You have blundered.
: Have you forgotten that velocity has direction?
The elliptical trek of Sedna offers pretty much any direction to/from
our sun that you'd care to mention. So, why doesn't Sedna go away?
Orbital eccentricity velocity of Sedna (12.4:1)
942 AU 374 m/sec (escape velocity = 1.376 km/sec)
76 AU 4640 m/sec (escape velocity = 4.846 km/sec)
If we can’t ever get rid of Sedna due to Newtonian gravity and the
related escape velocity, then how is it even remotely possible for
Sirius to get rid of our solar system? Last time I’d checked, the
Sirius collective mass was still worth considerably more than Sedna,
and its concentration or collective mass only gets much worse as we go
back in time, such as prior to its considerable molecular/nebula cloud
getting blown away is when that collective mass was worth <3e37 kg.
Sirius at <7e30 kg and 8.6 ly offers an escape velocity of only 107.2
m/sec.
Sirius at <3e37 kg and 64 ly, escape velocity becomes worth 81.3 km/
sec.
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/calculators/gravity-calculator.html
Using 2e30 kg
Sedna at 3e21 kg & 942 AU = 2.013e13 N
Sirius at 7e30 kg & 8.6 Ly = 1.411e17 N
That’s only a 7000 fold greater force of attraction by Sirius as
opposed to what Sedna represents, plus we’re headed towards Sirius at
7.6 km/sec isn’t exactly helping to keep our solar system away from
what could pass within as little as one light year. There’s also
another Oort cloud icy sub-planetoid (2005-VX3) worth 1.71e9 N, so
that’s only 82.5e6:1 less Newtonian force than represented by the
current mass and distance of Sirius. On previous thawing cycles the
mass of Sirius was also a little greater and getting a little closer
(conceivably a lot closer plus even our solar system was ever so
slightly (.0005%) more massive as of 125k BP). In other words, stars
and solar systems are not forever, whereas at some point the majority
become white dwarfs w/o planets, and some further demise as a nova or
supernova and essentially vanish with only their dust blowing in the
wind, so to speak. So far, within recorded history we’ve been
extremely lucky, but that luck could change as it did 260 million
years ago, and again 60 some odd million years ago and than roughly as
of 13,000 years ago. What if Sedna gets a little further perturbed by
something passing by, or from the alignment of Saturn and Jupiter?
As you can plainly see there’s supposedly no problem, as of our solar
system nowadays that’s closing in at the radial velocity of -7.6 km/
sec, thereby we are supposedly capable of escaping whatever Sirius has
to offer (perhaps once and for all), unless those trajectory estimates
of proper celestial motion are way the hell or even a little bit off
and those same voodoo escape velocity physics don’t apply. However,
in the beginning as of 260 million years ago when all things Sirius
for more than a million years represented a terrific molecular/nebula
cloud and multi-progenitor worth <3e37 kg, is when our rogue solar
system independence or freedom from all things Sirius should have been
technically impossible (even at 128 light years = 57.5 km/sec, or if
you like using 1024 ly = 20+ km/sec might suggest that we simply never
had the necessary rogue independence that we’ve been systematically
indoctrinated about).
Of course it would also have been nice if our solar system trajectory
had always been at least running parallel or ideally somewhat away
from Sirius, but sadly that hasn’t been the case. Instead we have two
galactic bound orbital trajectories getting modified as each closes in
on one another, and that’s pretty much exactly as the Sedna elliptical
eccentricity path manages to survive its multiple encounters within 76
AU of our sun, as somehow never having entirely lost its tidal bound
association, even though we still have no real idea as to where Sedna
originally came from or how something local got so extensively
perturbed.
Obviously the all-inclusive mass of Sirius and its surrounding of
whatever’s remaining of its nebula/molecular or stellar CME gas that’s
likely held within 1 ly, plus whatever its local Oort cloud of dark
and icy debris should by rights of orbital mechanics no longer
maintain its original grip on our solar system. However, no such
luck, perhaps for the same voodoo reasons why Sedna and other far
reaching Oort cloud items are not able to escape our solar system is
perhaps the very same reason why our solar system hasn’t entirely
escaped the deep elliptical association that had been previously
established with Sirius when it recently had the required mass.
So, either there’s something absolutely dead wrong or voodooish about
the conditional physics of Newtonian orbital mechanics that always
gets to exclude the past, or perhaps we are in fact stuck with
orbiting Sirius even at its greatly reduced mass, because we are not
entirely free of that Sirius influence.
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
works for Henry Kroll and myself. It seems long period double/triple
stars are not actually all that uncommon nor without their ability of
capturing another nearby star, especially while in their initial proto-
star or progenitor birthing molecular/nebula cloud phase that can last
a good million plus years, is what puts celestial mechanics at risk,
because of what the past represented.
Perhaps the last fully cosmological thaw for us happened as of 125k
years ago (+/-10k aided by few if any human tribes, much less
industrialized), and now it’s mostly caused by our moon and us
supposedly educated humans trying everything possible to trash our
planet. So far so good, because there’s only another 33% worth of all
that pesky 7e16 m3 original glacial ice to get rid of (leaving us with
perhaps 1e16 m3), as well as most land is either badly eroded or
getting flooded from monster storms and otherwise baked to death by
excessive droughts, plus otherwise we send BP and others out to
pollute as much ocean and atmosphere as possible in order to maximize
traumatize the global biodiversity in ways mother nature could never
have imagined.
The Cosmological Thaw from Sirius & Celestial Mechanics gets to use
conditional voodoo physics (aka “the past”), that otherwise doesn't
have to play by the rules of today, is what I believe is keeping us
associated with those badly depleted Sirius stars. However, the
mainstream closed mindset clearly doesn’t like this interpretation or
any interpretation other than their own that wants to insist that we
are at the center of this forever expanding universe that’s mostly
inert and lifeless.
Sirius Escape Velocity (did our solar system always have enough escape
velocity?)
http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/astronomy/escape_velocity
Offering a direct analogy of a stable elliptical orbit that’s
captured within our solar system is that of Sedna/90377 ~ 3e21 kg, of
an exotic reddish kind of mineral saturated icy planetoid that can’t
seem to get away from the past any better than our solar system is
keeping itself away from Sirius.
On Oct 18, 8:35 pm, Sam Wormley <***@gmail.com> wrote:
: Sedna's orbital eccentricity about the sun is 0.8527 which
: makes it an elliptical orbit bound to the sun. Sirius does
: NOT have a closed orbit with the sun. The Earth's tug on the
: sun is more than a million times stronger than that of Sirius
: or any other star.
On Oct 19, 5:37 am, Sam Wormley <***@gmail.com> wrote:
: This is where you are incorrect, Brad. You have blundered.
: Have you forgotten that velocity has direction?
The elliptical trek of Sedna offers pretty much any direction to/from
our sun that you'd care to mention. So, why doesn't Sedna go away?
Orbital eccentricity velocity of Sedna (12.4:1)
942 AU 374 m/sec (escape velocity = 1.376 km/sec)
76 AU 4640 m/sec (escape velocity = 4.846 km/sec)
If we can’t ever get rid of Sedna due to Newtonian gravity and the
related escape velocity, then how is it even remotely possible for
Sirius to get rid of our solar system? Last time I’d checked, the
Sirius collective mass was still worth considerably more than Sedna,
and its concentration or collective mass only gets much worse as we go
back in time, such as prior to its considerable molecular/nebula cloud
getting blown away is when that collective mass was worth <3e37 kg.
Sirius at <7e30 kg and 8.6 ly offers an escape velocity of only 107.2
m/sec.
Sirius at <3e37 kg and 64 ly, escape velocity becomes worth 81.3 km/
sec.
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/calculators/gravity-calculator.html
Using 2e30 kg
Sedna at 3e21 kg & 942 AU = 2.013e13 N
Sirius at 7e30 kg & 8.6 Ly = 1.411e17 N
That’s only a 7000 fold greater force of attraction by Sirius as
opposed to what Sedna represents, plus we’re headed towards Sirius at
7.6 km/sec isn’t exactly helping to keep our solar system away from
what could pass within as little as one light year. There’s also
another Oort cloud icy sub-planetoid (2005-VX3) worth 1.71e9 N, so
that’s only 82.5e6:1 less Newtonian force than represented by the
current mass and distance of Sirius. On previous thawing cycles the
mass of Sirius was also a little greater and getting a little closer
(conceivably a lot closer plus even our solar system was ever so
slightly (.0005%) more massive as of 125k BP). In other words, stars
and solar systems are not forever, whereas at some point the majority
become white dwarfs w/o planets, and some further demise as a nova or
supernova and essentially vanish with only their dust blowing in the
wind, so to speak. So far, within recorded history we’ve been
extremely lucky, but that luck could change as it did 260 million
years ago, and again 60 some odd million years ago and than roughly as
of 13,000 years ago. What if Sedna gets a little further perturbed by
something passing by, or from the alignment of Saturn and Jupiter?
As you can plainly see there’s supposedly no problem, as of our solar
system nowadays that’s closing in at the radial velocity of -7.6 km/
sec, thereby we are supposedly capable of escaping whatever Sirius has
to offer (perhaps once and for all), unless those trajectory estimates
of proper celestial motion are way the hell or even a little bit off
and those same voodoo escape velocity physics don’t apply. However,
in the beginning as of 260 million years ago when all things Sirius
for more than a million years represented a terrific molecular/nebula
cloud and multi-progenitor worth <3e37 kg, is when our rogue solar
system independence or freedom from all things Sirius should have been
technically impossible (even at 128 light years = 57.5 km/sec, or if
you like using 1024 ly = 20+ km/sec might suggest that we simply never
had the necessary rogue independence that we’ve been systematically
indoctrinated about).
Of course it would also have been nice if our solar system trajectory
had always been at least running parallel or ideally somewhat away
from Sirius, but sadly that hasn’t been the case. Instead we have two
galactic bound orbital trajectories getting modified as each closes in
on one another, and that’s pretty much exactly as the Sedna elliptical
eccentricity path manages to survive its multiple encounters within 76
AU of our sun, as somehow never having entirely lost its tidal bound
association, even though we still have no real idea as to where Sedna
originally came from or how something local got so extensively
perturbed.
Obviously the all-inclusive mass of Sirius and its surrounding of
whatever’s remaining of its nebula/molecular or stellar CME gas that’s
likely held within 1 ly, plus whatever its local Oort cloud of dark
and icy debris should by rights of orbital mechanics no longer
maintain its original grip on our solar system. However, no such
luck, perhaps for the same voodoo reasons why Sedna and other far
reaching Oort cloud items are not able to escape our solar system is
perhaps the very same reason why our solar system hasn’t entirely
escaped the deep elliptical association that had been previously
established with Sirius when it recently had the required mass.
So, either there’s something absolutely dead wrong or voodooish about
the conditional physics of Newtonian orbital mechanics that always
gets to exclude the past, or perhaps we are in fact stuck with
orbiting Sirius even at its greatly reduced mass, because we are not
entirely free of that Sirius influence.
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”